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It’s an article of faith among some on the left that markets and capitalism are the roots of all evil, while some on the right see pure, free markets as the invisible hand of God, and regulation as the work of the Devil.
Most economists will tell you they’re both wrong, because there’s no such thing as either a pure free market or a marketless society. We need markets to get things done, and we need governance to keep markets honest.
That’s especially true in environmental markets, which almost always exist because of laws that require people to clean up their messes or reduce their pollution.
To slow climate change, for example, we have to put a cap on greenhouse-gas emissions, but how do we meet that cap?
There are basically two ways.
In command-and-control, a regulator writes up detailed, step-by-step prescriptions that have to be followed to the letter.
In cap-and-trade, which is a market-based mechanism, emitters find their own way of meeting the cap, and they’re allowed to sell emission-reductions to others if they reduce more than the law requires. On the other hand, they also have to buy emission-reductions if they fail to meet their obligations.
If you’re a regular listener, you know that carbon is just one of many environmental markets that are helping to fuel a $25 billion per year restoration economy, and that’s just in the United States, as companies and municipalities rush to restore degraded rivers, forests, and other ecosystems on which our entire economy depends.
Environmental markets, however, don’t replace regulation. What they do is provide flexibility in meeting regulatory requirements.
They work, and they work well, but only if properly regulated.
Unfortunately, regulators have seen their budgets frozen or even cut — ostensibly to reduce costs. The result, ironically, isn’t just less protection, but higher costs of compliance.
Today’s Guests:
Todd BenDor, University of North Carolina Chapel Hill
Jason Brenner, RiverBank
Murray Starkel, Ecological Service Partners
Jud Hill, Ecological Service Partners
Dave Groves, Earth Partners
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